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		<title>Comment on Vignette tries to start a WCM Vendor Meme&#8230; (yawn!) by Vignette Tries Subscription-Based Licensing Model &#171; Irina Guseva: Random Thoughts on CMS, WCM, ECM and Other Acronyms</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vignette Tries Subscription-Based Licensing Model &#171; Irina Guseva: Random Thoughts on CMS, WCM, ECM and Other Acronyms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 18:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a comment &#187;  Vignette has been getting some criticism on their pricing and licensing approaches. Some consider it to be too expensive and too complex,  [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Vignette tries to start a WCM Vendor Meme&#8230; (yawn!) by On Personal vs. Professional Blogging and Twittering &#171; Irina Guseva: Random Thoughts on CMS, WCM, ECM and Other Acronyms</title>
		<link>http://sala.us/blog/?p=51&#038;cpage=1#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>On Personal vs. Professional Blogging and Twittering &#171; Irina Guseva: Random Thoughts on CMS, WCM, ECM and Other Acronyms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 21:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Watch blog and, subsequently, on Day&#8217;s blog. Cannot imagine we would&#8217;ve had that many delicious dialogues, if Twitter was the only tool at [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Vignette tries to start a WCM Vendor Meme&#8230; (yawn!) by Luis Sala</title>
		<link>http://sala.us/blog/?p=51&#038;cpage=1#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>Luis Sala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 16:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Kas, my wording definitely borders on the, uhm... vitriolic. Given that it&#039;s personal editorial, I chose to keep it that way. I&#039;m glad that you and a few others in the analyst world are around to keep vendors and each other honest. Hopefully the big guys will eventually change as well. 
 
From my view things took a turn for the worst at Vignette during the Tom Hogan and Patty Jones era but the current administration has seemingly (from afar, anyway) elected to mostly maintain the status quo. It&#039;s understandable considering how a drastically a &quot;reinvention&quot; would impact the current customer base (and maintenance revenue), but perhaps it&#039;s better to quickly cut off the unnecessary limbs from the product portfolio before sepsis kills the body. They can then invest on the key products. More importantly, truly getting rid of products as opposed to keeping them on the price-sheet, gives the sales team (and customers) a clearer understanding of Vignette&#039;s value proposition. Who knows, maybe their new price-sheet will reflect this. 
 
I tried to aim my comments at the company rather than the individuals, though some seem to be getting a wee bit high on the Kool Aid and believing what they&#039;re told rather than trying to act as agents of change. It is admittedly difficult to change course on such large a ship, but the culture there doesn&#039;t really encourage independent thinking and accountability. During my tenure there I witnessed more rear-end covering than actual accountability and am told by recent defectors that things still haven&#039;t improved much on that end. I find it interesting, though unsurprising, that some of the remaining &quot;rock stars&quot; have been effectively given &quot;gold handcuffs&quot;, ie. large financial incentives to stay. Good for them, I guess... 
 
Anyway, thanks again, and keep up the good work! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Kas, my wording definitely borders on the, uhm&#8230; vitriolic. Given that it&#039;s personal editorial, I chose to keep it that way. I&#039;m glad that you and a few others in the analyst world are around to keep vendors and each other honest. Hopefully the big guys will eventually change as well. </p>
<p>From my view things took a turn for the worst at Vignette during the Tom Hogan and Patty Jones era but the current administration has seemingly (from afar, anyway) elected to mostly maintain the status quo. It&#039;s understandable considering how a drastically a &quot;reinvention&quot; would impact the current customer base (and maintenance revenue), but perhaps it&#039;s better to quickly cut off the unnecessary limbs from the product portfolio before sepsis kills the body. They can then invest on the key products. More importantly, truly getting rid of products as opposed to keeping them on the price-sheet, gives the sales team (and customers) a clearer understanding of Vignette&#039;s value proposition. Who knows, maybe their new price-sheet will reflect this. </p>
<p>I tried to aim my comments at the company rather than the individuals, though some seem to be getting a wee bit high on the Kool Aid and believing what they&#039;re told rather than trying to act as agents of change. It is admittedly difficult to change course on such large a ship, but the culture there doesn&#039;t really encourage independent thinking and accountability. During my tenure there I witnessed more rear-end covering than actual accountability and am told by recent defectors that things still haven&#039;t improved much on that end. I find it interesting, though unsurprising, that some of the remaining &quot;rock stars&quot; have been effectively given &quot;gold handcuffs&quot;, ie. large financial incentives to stay. Good for them, I guess&#8230; </p>
<p>Anyway, thanks again, and keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Vignette tries to start a WCM Vendor Meme&#8230; (yawn!) by Kas Thomas</title>
		<link>http://sala.us/blog/?p=51&#038;cpage=1#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>Kas Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 16:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As shrill-sounding (arguably!) as your analysis is, I don&#039;t find a huge amount to quibble with here. I might have worded some of these things a bit differently here and there. But then again, I didn&#039;t work for the company; you did. I do know what it is like to work for such a company. I&#039;ll save that analysis for another day, though (or you can just ask Matt Asay, who also worked there). 
 
Thanks, btw, for calling me an independent and impartial third party. I try to be. And I&#039;m grateful that you didn&#039;t lump me together with the &quot;dark-side&quot; analysts (who take money from vendors). I agree with you that the old-school analyst model is &quot;slowly slipping into irrelevance.&quot; I wish it wasn&#039;t so slow. 
 
Vignette problems are complex and (this is really an awful word choice...) interwoven. Sadly, the company has become something of a whipping boy at this point. On top of all its other problems, it has a brand-rebuilding problem now.  
 
I actually wish the company well. I don&#039;t envy executive leadership at this point. They&#039;re the ones saddled with turning this ship around. Unfortunately, though, it&#039;s the rank-and-file employees who tend to bear the brunt of the punishment. And that&#039;s what&#039;s really sad, to me. 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As shrill-sounding (arguably!) as your analysis is, I don&#039;t find a huge amount to quibble with here. I might have worded some of these things a bit differently here and there. But then again, I didn&#039;t work for the company; you did. I do know what it is like to work for such a company. I&#039;ll save that analysis for another day, though (or you can just ask Matt Asay, who also worked there). </p>
<p>Thanks, btw, for calling me an independent and impartial third party. I try to be. And I&#039;m grateful that you didn&#039;t lump me together with the &quot;dark-side&quot; analysts (who take money from vendors). I agree with you that the old-school analyst model is &quot;slowly slipping into irrelevance.&quot; I wish it wasn&#039;t so slow. </p>
<p>Vignette problems are complex and (this is really an awful word choice&#8230;) interwoven. Sadly, the company has become something of a whipping boy at this point. On top of all its other problems, it has a brand-rebuilding problem now.  </p>
<p>I actually wish the company well. I don&#039;t envy executive leadership at this point. They&#039;re the ones saddled with turning this ship around. Unfortunately, though, it&#039;s the rank-and-file employees who tend to bear the brunt of the punishment. And that&#039;s what&#039;s really sad, to me.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Vignette tries to start a WCM Vendor Meme&#8230; (yawn!) by Luis Sala</title>
		<link>http://sala.us/blog/?p=51&#038;cpage=1#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>Luis Sala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 07:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the response. I see that, in general, you agree with my observations. From a personal perspective, one of the reasons why I left Vignette was because I lost faith in the products and the company. I grew tired of hiding the facts from my customers only to find some of them dissatisfied with incomplete projects that have gone over budget. Customers pay so much in up-front licenses that they&#039;re left with little with which to implement. 
 
I still get irritated when I learn that, as a company (not necessarily as individuals), things simply haven&#039;t changed that much. Some things improve, but mostly things seem to wallow in festering heaps. I resent that practically all engineering has been outsourced, I believe that to have adversely affected product quality and innovation. I am perhaps overly &quot;sensitive&quot; when the subject of Vignette comes up, but to me it&#039;s like a sore that refuses to heal properly. I still hold affection in my heart for VAP and VBCS but the rest still needs help. 
 
Thanks again... 
 
-- Luis </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the response. I see that, in general, you agree with my observations. From a personal perspective, one of the reasons why I left Vignette was because I lost faith in the products and the company. I grew tired of hiding the facts from my customers only to find some of them dissatisfied with incomplete projects that have gone over budget. Customers pay so much in up-front licenses that they&#39;re left with little with which to implement. </p>
<p>I still get irritated when I learn that, as a company (not necessarily as individuals), things simply haven&#39;t changed that much. Some things improve, but mostly things seem to wallow in festering heaps. I resent that practically all engineering has been outsourced, I believe that to have adversely affected product quality and innovation. I am perhaps overly &quot;sensitive&quot; when the subject of Vignette comes up, but to me it&#39;s like a sore that refuses to heal properly. I still hold affection in my heart for VAP and VBCS but the rest still needs help. </p>
<p>Thanks again&#8230; </p>
<p>&#8211; Luis</p>
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		<title>Comment on Vignette tries to start a WCM Vendor Meme&#8230; (yawn!) by Jon Marks</title>
		<link>http://sala.us/blog/?p=51&#038;cpage=1#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 22:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Luis, 
 
I think I sense some hostility here :-) I&#039;ve posted my thoughts on your comments on my blog: 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://jonontech.com/2009/04/04/when-cms-memes-attack/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://jonontech.com/2009/04/04/when-cms-memes-at...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
Jon </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Luis, </p>
<p>I think I sense some hostility here <img src='http://sala.us/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#039;ve posted my thoughts on your comments on my blog:<br />
<a href="http://jonontech.com/2009/04/04/when-cms-memes-attack/" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://jonontech.com/2009/04/04/when-cms-memes-at.." rel="nofollow">http://jonontech.com/2009/04/04/when-cms-memes-at..</a>. </p>
<p>Jon</p>
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		<link>http://sala.us/blog/?p=51&#038;cpage=1#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>Vignette and Its &#8220;Enterprise WCM Vendor Meme.&#8221; Really? &#171; Irina Guseva: Random Thoughts on CMS, WCM, ECM and Other Acronyms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 18:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] April 4] Alfresco&#8217;s @LuisSala offered his opinion on Vignette&#8217;s ECM meme effort. Very detailed, with many examples, which should not come as a [...]</description>
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		<link>http://sala.us/blog/?p=50&#038;cpage=1#comment-3</link>
		<dc:creator>Lou Franco's ECM Imaging Blog : App Engine/AppStore Follow-up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 14:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Luis Sala made some good points regarding my post from last week: [...]</description>
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